Another falacie in this story is that he emailed glock nowhere can anyone seem to be able to find a way to email glock. In order to field strip your glock pistol, should be. Hit a piece of hardened steel long enough with a steel punch and its got to change the structure of both pieces. This is how it was explained in glock s armorers course years ago. Once finished, take a dry cleaning patch and wipe the area down. Remove a glock striker and look how short the blade tip is that protrudes through the. Catastrophic g19 gen 3 failure breech face crack in mid november of this last year, i found this when i was cleaning my g19 after a shooting session no issues then and realized i couldnt rack my slide the protrusion was preventing the barrel from dropping free.
While breech faces can crack from dropping the slide on an empty chamber. If you are doing extended periods of dry firing it will break the breech face if you do not use a snap cap. I could see that the tech had wrote that the slide was cracked in the breech face. Glock replaced this gun free, but it serves as a reminder that nothing is perfect and that lemons can come from any manufacturer. You should contact glock customer service and advise them of the issue. Popped a couple of the primers and discovered that, in one, the cup had cracked lengthwise along the side upon firing, allowing hot gas to vent through the top edge of the crack right onto the breech face. I dont see how the extractor could contact the breech face. I am going to a titanium guide rod and was wondering if you could explain different recoil spring weights. A glock armorer has looked at it and said there isnt anything obvious wrong with the extractor, spring, plunger, or ejector. Not sure, just noticed it after i detailed stripped it. He is an animal though, so that is a huge amount of reps.
Contrary to the, glock mystique, do not allow the slide to slam forward on an empty chamber ever. Crack in the magazine well page 2 glock pistol forum. It doesnt sound like a lot of force, but over time it will fatigue the breech face and cause the issue. Catastrophic g19 gen 3 failure breech face crack archive. Glock siderlock is the best safety system chosen by users for their pistol for avoiding an accidental discharge in using firearm. This is not only normal, but intentional and by design. I was shooting speer lawmen 115gr in todays session.
As will mentions whatever forces imparted on the bullet, gets transferred into the breech face. Then if i slowly cycle the slide, the safety engages it back. The breech face isnt made of some miraculous austrian, mystery medal. If i remember correctly gabe white said on pf thread that he cracked a glock breech face even using snap caps. I just replaced the take down pin from ruger after rounds or more and wanted to test it at the range no problems went. It could also be due to improper hardening and excessive dry firing. Sent slide out on april 10th and received a call from glock a few days later confirming the breech face damage. Glock firing pin portruding from breech face the high road. Is anyone familiar with this and what could cause it. There are only two kinds of components in a glock pistol. I bought the glock used, but it has functioned flawlessly.
Catastrophic glock g19 gen 3 failure breech face crack. I have a g19 that has breech face damage or whatever you want to call it. Unfortunately, as you might be able to see from your glock that the breech face is very thin, especially around the opening for the firing. Aug 17, 2009 glock is not plastic that is a myth is was tested anyway i have a glock shot about 1500 rounds though it and onley had 1 jam with the shell getting stuck common problem with handguns it was onley a glock 17 glock was a break though design other manufacters dident want the glock around thats how that myth came about would it be used by millitary and law enforcement accross the world if it. Always inspect your barrel for any kinds of cracks, bulges, or deformations. As long as there arent any cracks, its all normal wear. I never thought id be making this thread, but my slide is inoperable because the breech face cracked, making an almost perfect circle. Given the common maladies of aging, such as arthritis, which affect hand strength and dexterity, old geezers like myself who carry a handgun everyday for selfdefense want something reliable, thats easy to operate and simple to maintain.
When buying a used glock, check there as well, as you dont know if the previous owner did the same thing i did with my old slide. Was dry firing my training gun 2012 gen4 19 a couple weeks ago when i noticed a change in. Lol seriously though, i use a dry brush on the breech face facing down. Found on the breech face of the slide, make sure the. They operate by phone and fax alone unless he somehow has some sort of internal connection there.
I have had good enough luck with taurus, but very limited, as in one. A critical look at the glock 17 hi powers and handguns. Unfortunately, as you might be able to see from your glock that the breech face is very thin, especially around the opening for the firing pin. Any 1st hand experience with most or all of the above. I cringe at the following they have begun to have, especially after the fiasco with czna at the time. A heavier recoil spring allows you to shoot hotter, fullhouse loads, slows down the slide speed, limits ejection distance, and helps to prevent stress cracks on your breech face.
My 17 gen 4 breech face cracked after about 20,000 rounds and countless actually probably 100,000 dry fires. The g22 was ok but still not to my liking and a friend has actually had the breech face crack in his glock took care of him but the fact that it happened to someone i know rather than an anonymous internet guy is significant to me. It may be manufacturing defect that causes the breech face on a glock to fail, although it is supposedly due to excessive dry firing i dont believe it. I contacted glockmeisters and they called the factory. Examples of blowback designs include the walther ppk and the sig p232. If you observe any abnormalities, contact a gunsmith. Instead, have it inspected and repaired by the glock entity for your region or a glock certified armorer.
Tilt the slide so that the muzzle side is facing down. Even glockmeisters said i could dry fire a glock however my breech face cracked one evening while dry firing. They said they checked it and lightly filed it and it is simply cosmetic. As a glock armorer i can say i have yet to see one. Moral of the story, use snap caps if you dry fire a lot. I field stripped it and noticed something that seems like a small hairlike crack in the magazine well, right next to the mold injection mark. Inspect your barrel for dirt, lead deposits, bulges, obstructions, and cracks. My glock was made in dec 12 and i bought it from a buddy having never been fired.
Subsequently, i did some research, and there is a rare but persistent tendency for glock breech faces to crack. May 14, 2018 the snap cap allows the striker to impact as normal on the back of a shell, saving the striker from repeated impacts on the rear of the breech face in strikerfired pistols. Breech face wear discussion in glock forum started by wolfpack81, feb 22, 2015. The world is certainly a bit darker these days without our friend, r. Breech faces can crack, slide rails can break out of the frame, frames can. While cleaning the g27 i noticed what appears to be a line or crack on the breech face behind the extractor. These impressions vary considerably in their nature, and may be of great value in determining the type or even the particular make of weapon used. We are having some issues with out glocks among competition shooters. Ive seen one in which the breech face of a brand spankin new g19 cracked after but a few standard pressure factory rounds. I have glock 21sf you know, looks just like the long rail trps, but without the levers and i have breech face erosion like that also. Breech face wear the leading glock discussion forum.
Apr 24, 2015 am i correct in what is going on here. I do that until i hit 1,0001,500 rounds and at that point i detail strip the gun and clean it inside and out. Catastrophic g19 gen 3 failure breech face crack in mid november of this last year. Dry fire drills the leading glock discussion forum. A smooth breech face is more prone to case sticking during ejection. These can not only be costly, but potentially dangerous later on. Gunny may have played the role of a strict drill instructor in many films and tv shows throughout his career, but everyone who met him experienced nothing but kindness and compassion. Ive heard about breech face failures in the past, but was almost mythical because of the rarity of it. Could it be, also, that glock doesnt fit barrel to frame so the barrel hood bottoms out on the slide before complete lockup, which also slams the cartridge in to the breech face. I just picked up a gen 2 glock 17 with a lot of miles on it. I think i just cracked my slide during dryfire practice. Here we see the cracked breech face of a glock 19 that was fired less than 100 times with only factory ball ammunition.
I stripped the slide of everything including my night sights and sent it in to glock at georgia. Sure enough, once again it was a broken spring on the factory glock. The gun does have about 25k rounds through it, but never a single problem. My slide was milled by suarez for an rmr, has anyone had any experience with whether or not glock will replace the slide. Oct 12, 2007 contrary to the, glock mystique, do not allow the slide to slam forward on an empty chamber ever. The glock is a series of polymerframed, short recoiloperated, locked breech semiautomatic pistols designed and produced by austrian manufacturer glock ges. The highpressure of this type of ammunition combined with leadfree primers can cause gas cutting and breech face damage and is not recommended for use.
This is true of all firearms since there has to be something to prevent over travel by the firing pin. Cleaning your glock pistol and keeping it in good condition, ready for. Read this manual carefully before loading or using your glock pistol. When buying a used glock, check there as well, as you dont know if the previous owner did the same thing i.
The firearm entered austrian military and police service by 1982 after it was the top performer in reliability and safety tests. The firing pin might be a small tink, but its over a pretty small area and in a thinner part of the breech face. Look at a glock firing pin, the breech face get slammed full force by the firing pin when there is nothing for the firing pin to hit. How much oil over what period of time kills primers. It comes from the reloads my department gives us to use at the range. Feb 22, 2015 this is on a year old glock 17 with roughly 2500 rounds of factory ammo no reloads. Most of us have been informed of the breech face failing and i did notice a small pit on mine some months back.
Op, scrub the breech face clean you will notice another crack at a perfect 90 degree angle to the one pictured, then a third crack at right angles to the second, parallel to the first, creating a quadrilateral depression under the extractor claw obviously part of the design. I use ismi springs but do not fully understand the difference in. Glock uses a locked breech design in this pistol, which sets it apart from some other compact handguns chambered in 380 acp that use a straight blowback design. If it does look like there is there is crack in the slide frame and breech face, do not fire the weapon. Glock called me back its not actually a cracked breech face, but simply flaking finish where the barrel contacts the breech face. Preppers guide to cleaning the glock 27 subcompact. If youre not possessed of sufficient arm strength, or dont fire particularly fast which most shooters dont. There are less the 500 rounds through it, a mix of federal 115s, and handloaded 124jhps on top of 5. Dry firing is the practice of firing a firearm without live ammunition, or practicing with an inert. The other had just a pinhole crack in the same portion of the primer shoulder. Catastrophic g19 gen 3 failure breech face crack if this is your first visit, be sure to check out the faq by clicking the link above. I found this when i was cleaning my g19 after a shooting session no issues then and realized i couldnt rack my slide the protrusion was preventing the barrel from dropping free. What are the chances of a glock 19 with a zev trigger. Having cracked 2 myself, and having seen first hand at least a dozen others, in person, not internet posts, they crack at the nose ring, ejection port and blow out the breech face from repeated dry firing.
Well, if you ever wondered about glocks and dryfiring. Defective glock update this is an update on my glock mod. I dont drop the slide on empty for similar reasons. Another dry fire question page 2 glock pistol forum. The fact that there are a couple of breech face failures from live firing compared to the larger number of breech face failures from dry firing is enough to lead me to understand that dry firing might be an issue over time. Assuming that the ammo is not grossly defective and unless the firearm has been otherwise and improperly altered the answer is almost zero or none, take you pick of terms. Since then it has got much much worse and i need to contact glock. Glock gun cleaning in 10 easy steps gun education uscca. The same goes for hk a brand i prefer over glock too, but glock beats em in price and besides, hk makes no 10mms. He also stated that the gun was dry, which was not the way i sent it in. How many 10s of thousands of dry fires does it take to crack a breech face. The fact that there are a couple of breech face failures from live firing compared to the larger number of breech face failures from dry firing is enough to lead me to. If i rack the slide forward, and hit the back of the slide with my palm, and then open the pistol, the friing pin is protruding form the breech face.
Factory said i would have to pay for another slide. In short, i fully intend to enjoy my newest pistol thoroughly and safely and im damn happy that my breech face wasnt cracked. Can you tell me how thick the breech face is on a glock. I understand where youre coming from argento, but the force from an ignited cartridge is spread across a larger area on the breech face. If youre lucky, a peened breechface also has a cracked slide, and glock will likely replace it at low or no cost. The breech face and the area under the extractor claw should be held muzzle down and cleaned with a toothbrush type cleaning tool, and should both be absolutely dry and free of any dirt or debris after cleaning.
There were also a couple of cracks starting from the firing pin hole and extending outward. So every dry fire is like a small hammer striking the back of the breech face. Also if you notice, glock uses a rectangular opening and not an round opening. Think of getting stepped on by a woman with work boots vs. If you own a glock, check your breach face occasionally to look for cracks, especially if you dry fire a lot wo caps. I shoot a lot of 180 grain federal and winchester target ammo but i would like to have the option of personal defense as well. Breech face problems the leading glock forum and community. There are so many accidental discharges that have been happened when their pistol or firearm is not completed by extra safety system like siderlock. A cracked, bulged, or obstructed barrel should not. Then again, taurus seems to have a winner with the c2 series. Glock pistols should not be removed, as it will help to provide longterm lubrication of the slide. Glock service tech explained that my aggressive dry fire routine without snap caps was likely the culprit and suggested i send the slide in for inspection.
Glock 19 gen 3 erratic ejection, aka brass to face. Learn tips on how to clean your glock, where to lubricate, and more with this comprehensive, step by step guide from 80% arms. Check your breech face and inspect your handguns when you can. They will probably want you to send the slide in for inspectionreplacement. I stripped the g23 and noticed that it too has the same line crack in the same place. Mar 12, 2020 the primer and shell head receive certain imprints from the breech face, differing somewhat according to the pressure developed within the individual cartridge fig. Though i strongly respect the glock line of handguns, i do not subscribe to the company motto proclaiming glock perfection. You might find the following youtube video informative.
While it takes many dry strikes to do so, repeated striker impacts can cause cracks in the breech face and can ultimately damage the striker. Glock and other models are ed and trademarked to glock ges. Found on the breech face of the slide, make sure the extractor isnt chipped, broken, or distorted. This is a gen 3 glock 19 with austrian roll marks assembled in feb. Again, as a firearms instructor, i have never seen a primer on a duty gun made defective by oil on the gun.